tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-53833917379821475012024-03-13T05:39:51.264-07:00Codex Sinaiticus - Authentic ?Stevenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04766486905391570486noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383391737982147501.post-33627396754504567162014-01-12T16:46:00.000-08:002014-01-12T16:46:48.599-08:00Provenance - the poof factor <h2>
<span style="color: blue;"><i>Provenance - the poof factor</i></span></h2>
<span style="color: #660000;"><i> Provenance</i> refers to the origin or derivation of an artifact. When employed by experts in the fields of rare manuscripts and valuable objets d'art, it refers to a works being traceable to some particular source or quarter. The provenance of a valuable piece helps establish its historical origin and, potentially, its authenticity. Naturally, provenance has more significance in the case of a sensational item, and a missing provenance is unfortunate but not necessarily insurmountable. Of course, provenances themselves can be forged in much the same manner as the works they are supposed to authenticate. Dealer markings, penciled notations, and the like are sometimes falsely added to a work to indicate previous ownership.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #660000;">Real or Fake: Studies in Authentication (2009)</span><br />
<span style="color: #660000;"><span class="addmd">Joe Nickell</span></span><br />
<span class="addmd"><span style="color: #660000;">http://books.google.com/books?id=01MqZ3RgoIwC&pg=PA9</span></span><br />
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<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"> The provenance of Codex Sinaiticus presents some real problems and mysteries. In the early 1800s Europeans were travelling throughout the middle east, looking at monastery libraries, seeking ancient manuscripts.</span></span><br />
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<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"> We will look at a number of these individuals here and their reports. We will notice that there is a marked change in the St. Catherine's Monastery around 1840.</span></span><br />
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<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"> St. Catherine's Monastery - Codex Sinaiticus up to 1859</span></span></h3>
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Antiquity - (compare to Golden ms)</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Ancient Catalogue</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Vitaliano Donati</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">William Turner </span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">William Banckes</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">John Hyde </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd"><br />Frederick Henniker </span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Constantine Simonides</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Constantine Tischendorf</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Uspensky</span></span><br />
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<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #990000;">Major MacDonald </span></span></span><br />
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<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"> Antiquity </span></span></h4>
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<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: maroon;">Journal of a Tour in the Levant, Volume 2 (1820)<br />
William Turner<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=yYQOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA443" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=yYQOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA443</a> </span><br />
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To my inquiries after manuscripts and a library, the priests answered,
that they had only three bibles, and I took their word the more readily,
as Pococke states that they had no rare manuscripts. But Mr Bankes, by
persevering and rummaging, found out a library, of 2,000 volumes, of
which three-quarters were MSS and of these, nine-tenths were Greek. The
greater part were theological but some were interesting, Mr Bankes
bought away. <br />
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1--<span style="color: maroon;">a thick MS, containing Hephaestio on the Greek
Metres, an Oration of Isocrates, the Letters of Phalaris (which were the
subject of much controversy some years ago);<br />
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2d. Another containing three first books of the Iliad, and part of the
fourth; two Tragedies of Aeschylus. and much Greek poetry; <br />
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3d. Another thin one. containing the Medes of Euripides, and the beginning of his Hyppolitius: <br />
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4th, An Historical Work of Cedrensu (a Byzantine historian quoted in Gibbon); <br />
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5th, a very fair one. containing, it appears, all the Physics of
Aristotle, probably of no remote antiquity, as it is written with
contractions, which were not used in the early ages. <br />
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There were also many Arabick, Syriac. and Coptic MSS. The Arabick MSS. Burckhardt says, are of little literary value.<br />
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</span>See his Life, prefixed to his <i>Travels in Nubia, </i>quarto, page 68. </span><br />
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Travels in Nubia is here:</span><br />
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Travels in Nubia: with maps (1819)<br />
John Lewis Burckhardt<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=4q4f7nas7JIC&pg=PR68" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=4q4f7nas7JIC&pg=PR68</a></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: maroon;">Journal of a tour through Egypt, the peninsula of Sinai and the Holy Land in 1838, 1839...</span><span style="color: maroon;">(1842) <br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=NhIMvDwApygC&pg=PA173" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=NhIMvDwApygC&pg=PA173</a></span> </span></span></span><br />
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<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: maroon;"><span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Ancient Catalogue</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Vitaliano Donati</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">William Turner </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">William Banckes</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">John Hyde </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd"><br />Frederick Henniker </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Constantine Simonides</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Constantine Tischendorf</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: #990000;"><span class="addmd">Uspensky</span></span><br />
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<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #990000;">Major MacDonald </span></span></span><br />
<span class="addmd"><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: maroon;"> </span> </span></span>Stevenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04766486905391570486noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383391737982147501.post-64560186193942432662014-01-12T08:05:00.001-08:002014-01-12T10:10:48.680-08:00<h2>
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<span style="color: blue;">Aleph / 01 / </span><span class="st"><span style="color: blue;">א</span></span></h3>
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<span style="color: blue;">Purpose</span></h3>
<span style="color: blue;">We will examine one question on this blog, the authenticity of Sinaiticus as a 4th century text. The main question is .. <b>4th or 19th century</b>, although we will also examine the historical arguments that the codex, even if authentic, was from a later date, e.g. 6th century. </span><br />
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<span style="color: blue;">Discussions Planned - Partial List</span></h3>
<ul>
<li> <span style="color: #660000;">Provenance - the 1840 poof factor <br /> </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;"></span><span style="color: #660000;">Origin - Stories, Myths and Fables</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Why does it matter if Codex Sinaiticus is not authentic? </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Constantine Tischendorf - adventurer, scholar, Count, liar, thief, mutilator of ancient manuscripts</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Constantine Simonides - the fly in the ointment</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;"><i>Codex Simoneidos </i></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">England literary controversy - 1862-1864<i> </i></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Shepherd of Hermas - "coincidence seems almost more singular than can be accounted for by chance"</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Tares Among the Wheat by Chris Pinto</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;"> Ink, Vellum & Binding </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Ink analysis - "inks have never been chemically characterized"</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;"> Scribes and Correctors</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">authenticity, forgery and dating </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">"many obvious blunders"</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Burgon and the significance of Codex Aleph</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Hilgenfeld questions what became the Tischendorf-Hort "scholarly consensus" </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Calligraphy </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Quire numbers </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Hieroglyphics </span> </li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;"></span><span style="color: #660000;">Retracing </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Rebinding </span><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;"> </span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">James Anson Farrer - "unsolved mysteries of literature"</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">Codex Sinaiticus Project </span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">bogus "English translation" of Sinaiticus </span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">evolution-style circularity</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">probability analysis </span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">John 21:25 - Tischendorf's x-ray vision, the attack on Samuel Tragelles</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">Mark ending - the curious cancel sheet </span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">the James White - Chris Pinto debate</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: blue;"><span style="color: #660000;">James White - "any scholar" </span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Alan Kurschner - "documentary lie"</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Lake, Skeat & Milne, Jongkind & Parker </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Forum Discussions </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Bibliography </span></li>
<li><span style="color: #660000;">Summary </span></li>
</ul>
<span style="color: blue;"> Let me add a note here. Being active in textual discussions, I was dismissive of Codex Sinaiticus, as being a junque early text. When I saw "Tares Among the Wheat" I was more interested in the Vaticanus retracing than the idea that Sinaiticus might not be authentic, since authenticity was always presented as probability=1. On the TC-Alternate forum in 2011 I even wrote up a paragraph of the main reasons that could be given against Simonides involvement.</span><br />
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<span style="color: blue;"> In 2013, I became more interested. Alan Kurschner belligerently and falsely accused Chris Pinto of a "documentary lie", using a James White blunder as his reference. James White and Chris Pinto got ready to square off in the debate. So I figgered I should get more informed. Out of that developed the studies du jour.</span><br />
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<span style="color: blue;">Steven Avery</span><br />
<span style="color: blue;">Bayside, NY </span><br />
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<span style="color: #660000;">This blog page is:</span><br />
<span style="color: #660000;"><br /><a href="http://codexaleph.blogspot.com/2014/01/codex-sinaiticus-authentic-aleph-01.html">Codex Sinaiticus - Authentic?</a> </span><br />
<a href="http://codexaleph.blogspot.com/2014/01/codex-sinaiticus-authentic-aleph-01.html"><span style="color: #660000;">http://codexaleph.blogspot.com/2014/01/codex-sinaiticus-authentic-aleph-01.html</span></a><br />
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